Alright, we're talking about it here and think there's probably no good reason not to raise the HP some. Where do you guys think it needs to be to make say, three t2 fit BS, inefficient to gank?

And you're right about afk travel vs active travel, switching to agility to support align time sounds good to me.

CCP dont tank these things according to the highest possible isk value junk you can stuff in it.

450k ehp is more than enough tank for this whale, you people already transport more expensive cargo in ships with much less tank.

Mods dont showup on scans so the ships can fit whatever they like. Even three rattlesnakes will fall well under the profit line to gank one of these things.

A trio of nightmares is also below the profit margin.

strip mods, haul via 700k EHP JF, blockade runner, or public courier
it is like you are not thinking at all

you don't strip the rigs, smart guy, you strip the modules only and ship them separately via higher-security methods or ones that allow you to diversify the risk via collateral

then you move the hulls (which are completely unfit aside from the rigs!) to the next incursion or w/e and refit on site

this works because mods are much smaller than ships

ccp has no obligation to ensure that you can move a very expensive hull safely

have you tried using a cheaper hull

no, you're mistaking their intention completely

their intention is to allow people to move multiple hulls around using one ship, it isn't to compensate for the incursion community's disgusting habits of bolting every single expensive module to a ship

the incursion community was used as an example because they are probably the most in need of being able to shuttle multiple ships around, but it was expressly couched with fitting restraint in mind (as in, the T2 fit, T1 battleships used as an example)

that you and yours feel they NEED to use expensive modules on a ship, and in turn have the ability to move them safely, is not something ccp has to compensate for

the same principle still applies
use less expensive hulls

lmao at pirate faction battleships being "realistic"

ah yes the competitive atmosphere where no one uses suicide ganking, wardecs, or espionage to hamper the opfor

painting a hilariously narrow view of how you prefer to operate and then trying to pass it off as the ironclad reality of the situation is pretty funny

fact of the matter is that even if what you say is true, somehow, ccp is STILL not beholden to custom-tailor the ship towards your myopic needs because trying to balance the EHP of the ship against your gawdy nonsense is just as insane as you claim my views to be

if that is the case then you oughta be able to use your brain meats to cobble together a solution inside the existing parameters

here is another one I came up with just off the cuff

maintain multiple sets of autism chariots on either side of niarja and uedama

The reality is that the only group in highsec that actually needs to move 3 battleships around at once is incursion runners, and most of them with either have vindi+mach+nm or vindi+nm+scimi+basi,

Either way the hull value alone is getting close to 2 bil....and lots of highsec players will be sticking their expensive mods in as well, so we could easily be looking at 10 bil+ inside. I'm just hoping we don't start seeing these blowing up the same way we see jump freighters blowing up.

Personally I'm gonna wait a couple of months to see the ganking level before I even consider flying this.

Its utterly out of balance. These ships are not meant to transport tens of billions in near perfect safety and never will be.

Thanks for making it blatantly obvious that you actually know nothing about ganking or CONCORD response times.

Don't bullshit me.

Now both of you knock off the crap.

[edit: Oh, and that was in a 0.5. If the sec level goes up, you need even more people.

I'm gonna start calling the cops every time a ****** hogs the hallway.

So when would you want to haul a bunch of fitted ships?

1 - When your corp is headed off to war, and you want lots of prefitted ships in your base for players to grab and use.

2 - Because you have Shield/Armor/ETC rigging to IV, and you want to bring rigged ships to market at Jita. (Because apparently players can buy those ships and use them with the rigs despite not having their own skills to IV.)

3 - Because you're a mission runner, and you want to move your mission running fleet to a new system.

4 - Any other reasons?

I don't need to be right - i am simply stating one opinion in the pool of many. Removing the jump fatigue bonus will not change the ship itself but simply ensure that its main usage will not be as a null sec ship to circumvent other mechanics. Any other scenario you could think of remains untouched. And so far all the disagreement comes from the same coalition group only ;)

Utterly Pitiful idea.

3 BS at maxed skills....really???.

Expand the SMA to be able to carry half a fleets worth of BS and then maybe it's worth the effort of training skills and actually buying one for a Corp, other than that Gankers would have more fun holding a BS pilot to ransom and having him eject.

Corps once had a perfectly good ship transport, they were called 'Carriers', but someone decided these had to be nerfed to the point they became useless for that task so now there relegated to PoS repping and defense, Seems CCP's blind desperation has finally come to this, Spending weeks designing and specifying an utterly useless ship design, might as well dress it with a shoot here sign for all it's worth.